tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post8841409993373862007..comments2023-08-29T02:42:23.063-05:00Comments on ¡Bemsha SWING!: Jonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-89311593662057485622007-09-24T20:30:00.000-05:002007-09-24T20:30:00.000-05:00You're right, I was not plugged into the poetry wo...You're right, I was not plugged into the poetry world in the '70s; first got involved circa 1982 in college. And -- Iron John is amazingly bad sociology and mediocre mythography. So I need to put brackets around my endorsement of his polemic -- it stops at the Men's Movement. (Though there are some hilarious parallels between Bly and Ted Nugent on this score, if anybody's interested.) Still . . . the soft spot remains. Very un-Iron of me, I know.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-72979736599607009162007-09-24T18:53:00.000-05:002007-09-24T18:53:00.000-05:00I guess you have to understand the whole dynamics ...I guess you have to understand the whole dynamics by which Bly took the deep image and made it into a repeatable formula--aided by a rather sloppy conception of "Spanish surrealism." Maybe you're too young to remember the 70s, but what about his slovenly conception of masculinity in Iron John? Shouldn't that cure anyone of a soft spot for Robt. Bly?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-6404490590992796412007-09-24T17:04:00.000-05:002007-09-24T17:04:00.000-05:00Bly's polemic isn't far removed from Rothenberg's ...Bly's polemic isn't far removed from Rothenberg's disderata in your previous post, though it is certainly less pithy. That's why I don't get Antin's comment.<BR/><BR/>Bly can be plodding, and he has a bad rep as a translator, but I have a soft spot for him since he was one of the people who pointed me toward Jung, the Spanish poets, and Rilke. And I do like his polemic, by and large.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-14133359744543603962007-09-24T14:54:00.000-05:002007-09-24T14:54:00.000-05:00The terms is given in the "label" at the bottom of...The terms is given in the "label" at the bottom of the post.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-42331475255838746552007-09-23T23:37:00.000-05:002007-09-23T23:37:00.000-05:00I don't remember what the term was but I remember ...I don't remember what the term was but I remember this from "Conversations with D.A. and C.B." And I remember laughing. That conversation was an education.fairesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824172112708242460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-59309009767366142292007-09-22T10:23:00.000-05:002007-09-22T10:23:00.000-05:00I don't think Antin's comment is particularly inac...I don't think Antin's comment is particularly inaccurate.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-13878177054536963812007-09-21T15:04:00.000-05:002007-09-21T15:04:00.000-05:00Meow!Woof!(And I heart Antin.)Meow!<BR/><BR/>Woof!<BR/><BR/>(And I heart Antin.)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000424514491809383noreply@blogger.com