tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post7787115166539040097..comments2023-08-29T02:42:23.063-05:00Comments on ¡Bemsha SWING!: DefaultJonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-22089665830455978002012-07-06T13:12:01.010-05:002012-07-06T13:12:01.010-05:00And of the translator, which makes me understand y...And of the translator, which makes me understand your posts about how translation of any given poem has to be a creative act or you're not interested in it. Now I wonder about translations by people whose sensibilities aren't "acceptable" by the target literary culture. The translated poems get misjudged as "bad poetry?" "So-and-so's poems are dull and old-fashioned."scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-43235497990730430422012-07-06T13:05:26.676-05:002012-07-06T13:05:26.676-05:00Another way of saying this is that the "accep...Another way of saying this is that the "acceptability" of the poetic language of the target language is a function, not of the original, but of the target literary culture.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-40873373976638836282012-07-06T13:01:08.570-05:002012-07-06T13:01:08.570-05:00Well, this is very interesting, how the poetic lan...Well, this is very interesting, how the poetic language of the target language can change the reading experience of the poem over time. The cultures and interpretations around the poem transform while the poem itself is static. Which, I'm sure, has been observed plenty often already but I've never considered it before. So hmmm.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-12688958599574703432012-07-06T12:39:11.753-05:002012-07-06T12:39:11.753-05:00Sure, Victorian translation uses Victorian poetic ...Sure, Victorian translation uses Victorian poetic language. Renaissance translation uses renaissance language. At any given time there is a "default."Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-71142859713610449692012-07-06T12:37:11.565-05:002012-07-06T12:37:11.565-05:00Can one look at, say poems translated into English...Can one look at, say poems translated into English in the 19th-century and compare them to 20th- or 21st-century translations of the same poems and see how the style of poetry translation has changed as the style of prose evolved? I ask this because I'm assuming your claim is that the current default translation style is based on Modernist prose, as you mention Hemingway. So there must be a break somewhere, yes?scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.com