tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post112197443911238694..comments2023-08-29T02:42:23.063-05:00Comments on ¡Bemsha SWING!: Jonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121988116751793762005-07-21T18:21:00.000-05:002005-07-21T18:21:00.000-05:00I think I've drawn blood. My favorite poet, Frank...I think I've drawn blood. My favorite poet, Frank O'Hara is sentimental and self-aware at the same time. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Take the poem "Hate is only one of many responses." It's straightforward and sincere, not ironic at all, yet there's still that subtle characterization of the speaker, that oh-so-slight distancing effect that makes us able to take the poem as a poem. One thing is the surprise that one COULD speak that directly in a poem. That sets up an ironic play at the level of genre.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121982346096633322005-07-21T16:45:00.000-05:002005-07-21T16:45:00.000-05:00Wait a minute!I don't think you're talking about t...Wait a minute!<BR/><BR/>I don't think you're talking about the poetry. I think you're talking about the audience.<BR/><BR/>More on this at my site...Laurelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15813510279708043487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121981091657739282005-07-21T16:24:00.000-05:002005-07-21T16:24:00.000-05:00I think we need someone to tag and taxonomize the ...I think we need someone to tag and taxonomize the various types of irony so we know what we're talking about.<BR/><BR/>Though the New Sincerity seems "staged" it both is and isn't sincere. I mean, it is a "joke" movement that is more than a "ha ha" joke. Its intent is pure. We believe what we jokingly proclaim. So I guess that's irony, but it's against the wink-wink irony that we see in so many "post-avant" poems.Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121980706669760622005-07-21T16:18:00.000-05:002005-07-21T16:18:00.000-05:00I'ts like a homeopathic medicine or an immunizatio...I'ts like a homeopathic medicine or an immunization. You need just a little in order to protect yourself against the greater onslaught of "irony," or against Nick Piombino's automatic irony generator.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121979770096431752005-07-21T16:02:00.000-05:002005-07-21T16:02:00.000-05:00___I don't quite follow you, hypcrite lecteur, mon...___<BR/><BR/>I don't quite follow you, hypcrite lecteur, mon semblable, mon frère. Without this one drop the poem lacks that quality of self-awareness that the New Sincerity has in abundance.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121979223736300002005-07-21T15:53:00.000-05:002005-07-21T15:53:00.000-05:00So, one drop of ironic blood and the whole poem is...So, one drop of ironic blood and the whole poem is...<BR/><BR/>you see where I'm going with this.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451174274596699645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121978756865211912005-07-21T15:45:00.000-05:002005-07-21T15:45:00.000-05:00The New Sincerity is ironic too. It has a very "s...The New Sincerity is ironic too. It has a very "staged" quaity to it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3759353.post-1121975381699330872005-07-21T14:49:00.000-05:002005-07-21T14:49:00.000-05:00Most such ironies bore me though. New Sincerity i...Most such ironies bore me though. New Sincerity in da house!Anthony Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15344532091414013818noreply@blogger.com